PODCAST- Dr. Margaret Paul – Inner Bonding

About Our Guest- Dr. Margaret Paul

Dr. Margaret Paul is a bestselling author, popular MindBodyGreen writer and co-creator of the powerful Inner Bonding® self-healing process, and the related SelfQuest® self-healing online program – recommended by author Marci Shimoff, actress Lindsay Wagner, and singer Alanis Morissette. She has appeared on numerous radio and television shows (including Oprah). Her book titles include Do I Have to Give Up Me to Be Loved By You (and subsequent titles Do I Have to Give Up Me to Be Loved By God, and …By My Kids), Healing Your Aloneness and Inner Bonding, and the recently published, Diet For Divine Connection and The Inner Bonding Workbook. Margaret holds a PhD in psychology, is a relationship expert, public speaker, consultant and artist. She has successfully worked with thousands and taught classes and seminars for over 50 years. Find her free Inner Bonding course online and join Dr. Margaret for her \”Love Yourself\” Course. 

Margaret lives in Colorado on a 35-acre ranch. She has three children and three grandchildren. In her spare time, she loves to paint, ride her horse, cook delicious healthy food, read, make pottery, and joyously live her life as a Golden Girl with her best friend.

Full Podcast Transcription

Diva Nagula 00:00 

Dr. Margaret Paul 01:14 

You take the analogy of a baby, a baby is born, you look at that baby. And you know the baby needs love and you know that even if the baby has problems, the baby deserves love. And so we all do. But when we\’re abandoning ourselves, we think other people don\’t deserve it. We think they\’re not good enough because we think we\’re not good enough. And then we project that out and boy the violence that that causes on the planet. 

Diva Nagula 02:02 

Hello, this is Dr. Diva Nagula. Welcome to From Doctor To Patient, where our goal is to bring you topics of discussion that will educate you on the various healing modalities to help balance the mind, body, and spirit. Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of From Doctor To Patient. Today I\’m pleased to have Dr. Margaret Paul. She is a best selling author, popular mind green writer and co-creator of the powerful inner bonding self healing process and the related self-quest self healing online program recommended by Marci Shimoff, actress Lindsay Wagner, and singer Alanis Morissette. She has appeared on numerous radio and television shows, including Oprah. Her book titles include, Do I Have To Give Up Me to Be Loved By You? and subsequent titles, Do I Have to Give Up Me to Be Loved by God? and Healing Your Aloneness and Inner Bonding, and the recently published Diet for Divine Connection and the Inner Bonding Workbook. Margaret holds a PhD in psychology, is a relationship expert, public speaker, consultant and artist. She has successfully worked with 1000s and taught classes and seminars for over 50 years. Go To www.inner bonding.com/welcome for free inner bonding course and join Dr. Margaret for her Love Yourself course. Margaret lives in Colorado on a 35 acre ranch. She has three children and three grandchildren. In her spare time she loves to paint, ride her horse, cook delicious, healthy food, read, make pottery, and joyously live her life as a golden girl with her best friend. Dr. Margaret, thank you so much for being here. How are you today? 

Dr. Margaret Paul 03:47 

I\’m great. How about you? 

Diva Nagula 03:49 

I\’m doing fantastic. You know, you talk about a lot of things. And you\’re expert on a lot of things that really hold a lot of value for me, as well as many others. And I have a lot of clients who come to me and who I find that the most simple thing to help them through whatever processes they\’re going through anxiety, depression, it\’s really all comes down to loving yourself. Why is this so important? And talk about this? 

Dr. Margaret Paul 04:18 

Well, you know, if you think about think about having a baby, and the most important thing is to be loving the baby. I mean that that\’s what allows the baby to thrive. So if we think about our own inner child, soul, feeling self, whatever you want to call that part of us that feels the anxiety or depression or joy, that part of us needs love in order to thrive. And the problem is is that most of us are brought up to think that the love has to come from somebody else. It, you know, of course did when we were babies, we were toddlers but you know, hopefully we learn how to do that for ourselves, but you know, in fact, as you know, most people don\’t. And so what happens when we don\’t learn to love ourselves, is that we are empty inside, we are needy inside, we\’re empty, because there\’s, there\’s no love inside. And then we try and have control over other people giving us what we\’re not giving ourselves. And that creates huge relationship problems because nobody likes to be controlled. And and you know, when we try and control somebody they either give in, but then they\’re resentful or they resist or they get mad. And of course, it creates all kinds of relationship problems. And for us outside of relationship, it creates a very deep emptiness that we want to then fill up with various addictions, you know, will turn to food or drugs or alcohol or pornography, or TV, or overwork, or all kinds of things, to fill up the emptiness that comes from what I call self abandonment, which is when we\’re not loving ourselves. 

Diva Nagula 06:05 

Yeah. And it reminds me because this is really true to my heart, when this topic comes up, it\’s because I\’ve had this revelation a little over two years ago, for my own self work. I actually did one of my first psychedelic experiences, and it was shown to me that I need to let go of all the self-loathing thoughts and start loving myself. And in actuality, what shifted was that the thoughts that I had, the self-loathing, whatever the reason it was caused by, it was actually doing harm to others, you know, because we\’re all connected. And so right, when I\’m loathing and saying awful things about myself, I\’m affecting somebody else. And that dawned on me, that made the shift for me. And I\’ve been working really hard to transition where I have more positivity and more love for myself. 

Dr. Margaret Paul 06:58 

Well, and in fact, you know, exactly what you\’re talking about is an underlying cause of so many of the problems today, because when people are loathing themselves, they\’re rejecting themselves, they\’re abandoning themselves, they then project that self-loathing out to other people. And that\’s where the things like racism, and sexism and homophobia, and all this violence, and everything, all the domestic violence comes from; it\’s that projection of self-loathing. And so on a society level, it\’s extremely important that we learn to see who we really are in our soul. I mean, like, like, again, you take the analogy of a baby, a baby is born, you look at that baby, and you know the baby needs love. And you know, that even if the baby has problems, the baby deserves love. And so we all do. But when we\’re abandoning ourselves, we think other people don\’t deserve it. We think they\’re not good enough, because we think we\’re not good enough. And then we project that out. And, boy, the violence that that causes on the planet. 

Diva Nagula 08:04 

Where does this come from? Is this you know, is the self hatred, the loathing, the lack of self-love? Is that all a product of our upbringing, or environmental influences, or is it just inherited through genetics? 

Dr. Margaret Paul 08:17 

You know, it\’s, I think it\’s both. My parents had no idea how to love themselves. They were completely self-abandoning. They were controlling, they were narcissistic. And so they projected their self-loathing onto me. And so I learned to judge myself, I learned to think other people should be loving me, instead of me, I learned to turn to various addictions, as a way to avoid my pain. And so I definitely learned it from them. And I think most people do. But I think there\’s also some inherited trauma, that that people experience. I mean, you know, there\’s been so much trauma in our society, going all the way back before people settled America and Europe, there was a lot of trauma, that was torture, it was all kinds of things. And then, of course, here in our country, it was huge trauma with what you know, with Blacks, with Native Americans. I mean, it\’s just been awful. What\’s happened in our country. And so I think that a lot of that trauma gets handed down in a lot of ways, not just through the parents role-modeling, but actually, I think it\’s in our genes and that there\’s a lot of healing that needs to happen. And the inner bonding process, which is what I teach is amazing for doing that healing work. 

Diva Nagula 09:44 

Yeah. And we\’ll get to that in just a second. But it\’s interesting because I think a lot of people can probably relate, they weren\’t loved enough as a kid, maybe they were bullied as a kid. And as you said, there were genetic, you know, DNA that was transferred from parents to the child. And you know, for me specifically, I was in a home environment; it was overall loving, but it was very much a patriarchal household where there ere a lot of demands placed on the to achieve, and that superseded any kind of feelings that could be transferred as love. That was the love that I was getting. And so, you know, I\’ve been seeking that, and that\’s what you were explaining earlier is is that you tend to seek it out. And you feel the rejection if you don\’t get that. And how do you deprogram this? You know, I guess we can transition this into your the inner bonding that you were talking about? 

Dr. Margaret Paul 10:35 

Yeah. Well, we deprogram when we learn to love ourselves. And inner bonding is a six step process that anybody can learn. It\’s a pathway. And when people learn the steps, and they practice it, they are reprogramming there, you know, anything that we focus on for a period of time changes the brain, the brain has neuroplasticity, it changes. And, and, you know, I\’ve worked with so many 1000s of people that say, wow, you know, I\’m a different person, my brain has changed. And that\’s because they\’ve been practicing a new way of being. And over time, it doesn\’t actually take that long. Over time, we program ourselves, like, I\’m a completely different person today than I was before I started practicing inner bonding. And I\’m thrilled with the difference. And, and so I know from my own experience, but the experience of you know, 10s of 1000s of people I worked with that it works. 

Diva Nagula 11:29 

Can you explain to us a little bit more about the practicing of the inner bonding process and the steps involved? Yeah, so step one, and I\’ll go through it briefly. But really, for people to get the, you know, the deep understanding of it, they have to actually do it. So step one, is learning to move from mind focus, which we all learn to be up in our mind when we were children, because our feelings are in our body. And most of us had a lot of pain. And so we couldn\’t manage the pain. And one of the ways we learned to disconnect and abandon ourselves is to go up in our mind, we needed to do that – that was a survival mechanism. Now we need to do the opposite, we need to get back into our body, because that\’s where our feelings are. And it\’s about taking responsibility for our own feelings, rather than numbing them out, avoiding them with addictions, making others responsible. So step one, is learning to take deep breaths. It\’s a form of meditation, where you breathe in, and you go inside your body, and you scan your body for any physical sensations. Because feelings generally show up physically, like, if you\’re anxious, you\’re gonna have a tight stomach or a tight chest or your throat will be tight. So it shows up physically. And it means getting present. See, most people, if they have a feeling, they have learned to move away from it. Oh, no, no, no, I can\’t go there. Because I don\’t know what to do with that feeling. But in step, one of inner bonding, you move toward the feeling, you welcome the feeling because it has vital information for you. So you breathe in, you get present with your feelings. And you make a decision a conscious decision, that you actually want responsibility for your feelings. So that\’s step one. Then in step two, we breathe into our heart. And inner bonding is based on a concept of intention that there\’s only two intentions in any given moment. And one is the intention to learn about what\’s loving to you, about your false beliefs, about what\’s true, about how you\’re abandoning yourself. And the other intention is to protect against pain, with various forms of controlling, and self-abandoning behavior. So, obviously, we have to consciously choose the intention to learn about loving ourselves. And in step two, we teach people how to open to their higher source of personal guidance, we, we all have spiritual guidance, but most people actually don\’t know how to have a personal relationship with that. And so we teach people how to raise their frequency. Frequency is the is the rate at which our energy is vibrating and spirit vibrates at a higher frequency than we do, which is why we can\’t see it. Like if we vibrated, like a hummingbird\’s wings, we wouldn\’t be able to see each other. So our bodies vibrate at a dense rate so we can see each other, but we can raise the frequency of our energy. And there\’s mainly two things that it takes. One is the intention to learn about love – that raises the frequency, whereas the intention to control lowers the frequency and the other is the the body- eating clean, fresh organic foods is what the body is meant to deal with. When you eat sugar and ultra processed foods and foods with pesticides, and factory farm foods and the oils, the you know, the vegetable oils, all of these things are so awful for the body, they\’re not natural for the body. And so it\’s very hard on the body, of course creates illness as you know, but it also lowers the frequency, generally too much for the person to be able to access their gut. And so if people choose to eat really well and get clean, clean up their guts, so that their guts in balance, and learn to open to learning, they will have very easy access. And they\’re amazed at what happens when they\’re able to consciously raise their frequency. And I talked about that, in my book, Diet for Divine Connection. Anybody can learn to do this, and it\’s so life changing, to know that you\’re never alone, that you\’re always being guided, that this is your source of love that you don\’t have to keep going to try and get it from people, you can access the love that is the universe. So in step two, we\’re opening to learning. And we\’re inviting the love and the compassion of our higher guidance into our heart. And that\’s what creates what we call the loving adult. We have to be a loving adult, in order to learn; we can\’t be like a child or adolescent, trying to learn, that that just doesn\’t work. So you know, it\’s like if you see if you see a child who\’s upset and you go to the child, and you say, well, what\’s wrong now? The child is just not gonna let you in. But if you say Sweetie, I see you\’re upset, and there must be a good reason, and I\’d like to understand, and is there anything I\’m doing?, the child is going to let you in – the child will feel safe. So we have to be that loving adult. And that\’s what step two is about. Then in step three, we\’re going inside, we\’re going back into the feelings. And we\’re asking, What am I doing? What am I telling? Let\’s say we go inside, we\’re feeling anxious or depressed or, or angry or guilty or shamed or empty, or alone or jealous, or any of these feelings we call wounded feelings that we cause with our self abandonment. So we\’re asking, What am I doing? How am I treating you? What am I telling you? What are the judgments? I might be leveling at you? Am I ignoring you? That causing you to feel these painful feelings? It\’s an exploration. And then we go inside and we let the answer come from the feeling itself. So let\’s say I go in, and I\’m anxious. And so I\’m asking that question, What am I doing? What am I telling you? And so the anxiety might say, well, you\’re telling me I\’m not good enough, or I\’ve got to be perfect, or you\’re putting all this pressure on me or you know, there\’s all kinds of things we could be telling ourselves that\’s creating the anxiety. And once we understand how we\’re treating ourselves, what we\’re telling ourselves, we go a little deeper into what we call the ego wounded itself. And this is a part of us. This is the part of us that\’s programmed with so many false beliefs. It\’s up in the base of the brain called the amygdala. And it\’s filled with false beliefs. It\’s a programmed part of us that goes on automatic, and that\’s where the intention to control is, the intention to avoid our feelings with our addictions, and this is the part of us that judges ourselves, you\’re not good enough, you\’re, you\’re bad, you\’ll never amount to anything, you don\’t even belong on the planet. I mean, it\’s the things that that part of us is programmed with. So we want to start to be aware of those programmed beliefs. And once we understand what we\’re doing, and what the beliefs are, and where we got them as we were growing up. Step four, we open again to our higher guidance. And we ask, What\’s the truth about any of these beliefs? And what is loving to me? What loving action do I have to take? And it\’s so important to be able to access that because we don\’t have good role models in our society for truth and love. When I started a practice inner bonding, I was like, Who do I turn to for what\’s loving to me? I know my parents certainly weren\’t the role models, who do I turn to? And so I realized that it had to be my higher guidance. And so we have to learn to access that in order to know truth and to know what\’s loving. Then in step five, we take the loving action -we do what\’s loving. And then in step six, we tune back in. And if we\’re feeling relief, if we\’re feeling less anxiety or depression or guilt or whatever, we know we\’ve taken a loving action. That\’s awesome. That\’s beautiful. I love it. How did you come up with this? This is so beautifully done. And it seems so complete and thorough, I would imagine that if anyone follows these steps, you know, it\’s 100%, effective and transmuting whatever ill feelings you might have towards yourself. 

Diva Nagula 21:42 

Well, I\’ve practiced as a traditional psychotherapist for 17 years. And I had a ton of my own therapy, you know, coming from a dysfunctional family. And I wasn\’t happy with my therapy because I still had anxiety and some depression and emptiness. And I wasn\’t happy with my clients. So I started to pray for a process or a teacher or something that would really work; that would work fast that would work deep that people could learn that they could do on their own. Well, that\’s when I met the co-creator, Dr. Erica Chopich, she had half of inner bonding, I had half of nerve bonding. And so of course, spirit made sure that we met, and spirit helped us put it all together into the six steps. And and that was 36 years ago. And that\’s when I started the practice. And it\’s a good thing, because at that time, I was like threateningly ill from the deep level of self-abandonment, I had learned to be a caretaker, I was giving myself up to everybody, I was taking care of my kids, my husband, my parents, my clients, and you can\’t continue to do that- it wipes out your immune system. And that\’s what was happening for me. And I didn\’t know why I was sick, because I was eating really well. Since my early 20s. I\’ve been eating all organic. I couldn\’t understand why I was so sick. But you can\’t treat yourself that way without getting sick eventually. And so when I started practicing inner bonding, I got better. And I\’m in fact hugely better and my creativity and my ability to manifest. Now the problem was, and this is what hangs a lot of people up is that I have been a caretaker all those years. And when you\’re giving yourself up and taking care of everybody, they expect it. And I was terrified that if I stopped taking care of everybody and started to take care of me, that I would find out that the people who said they loved me really didn\’t, that all they they just loved how I love them, but that they really didn\’t love me. And in fact, that is what happened. I lost my 30 year marriage. My kids were angry, my parents disowned me. And it was really tough. It was a really tough time for me. But I healed; I got me back. And I started to experience joy for the first time, even with all those challenges. So even though it was so hard, I\’m so grateful for inner bonding, and so grateful that I took the risk, because my life changed completely at that point. 

Diva Nagula 24:32 

And with all this healing that you\’ve done, you know, I imagine that you took on a lot of negative energy, you know, with with the people that you were a caregiver for. How do you not let that affect you? I mean, I as a physician, I used to see chronic pain patients and clients that I have now, they have a lot of personal issues that come up. And so, I oftentimes with both scenarios, just feel wiped out. How do I not let it bother me or affect me where it lowers my vibration? 

Diva Nagula 25:09 

Yeah, so I, I have the same thing- I work with a lot of people with very, very deep trauma, you know, horribly abused children and terrible, terrible pain. And what I\’ve learned to do….since it\’s really a decision that I am not responsible for their feelings as long as I thought I was responsible, I took it all on, and it, you know, obviously made me sick. But when I realized that I can\’t take responsibility for another\’s feelings. And in fact, when they do, that\’s codependency, they become dependent on me, instead of learning to actually take loving care of themselves, which is what heals them. And so now what I do, when I\’m in some of the people I\’ve worked with are just, you know, so much trauma…I bring it into my heart, I feel the compassion, and then I immediately send it to spirit. And I say, if it\’s yours, it\’s not mine. It\’s not mine to fix, it\’s not mine to keep. And that\’s what keeps my frequency high. So I am here to support people, I\’m here to help them learn to love themselves. I am here to certainly send them much compassion, but not take responsibility for them. And that\’s the real key. 

Diva Nagula 26:29 

That\’s a good lesson in another person who I spoke with this about a week or so ago, told me that when you\’re going into a situation where you\’re helping a person or you\’re with someone who needs assistance, whether it\’s a client or patient or friend, you go in with that scenario, with that intention that not only are you helping healing that individual, but you\’re also help healing yourself. Right. And that shifted for me, because, you know, then I now I look forward to those challenging cases. Because if I help heal that individual, I\’m also helping heal myself. 

Diva Nagula 27:04 

Well, that\’s right. And and that\’s what\’s wonderful about the work that we do, is that we\’re we\’re always in that-we\’re always in that process of healing and evolving and learning and growing. I mean, I think being a helper like this is is fantastic. Because it gives us that opportunity to continue to heal and grow. 

Diva Nagula 27:24 

And in your processes, your inner bonding process, as you talk about being mindful what\’s your advice for folks who, you know, are burning the candle at all ends and don\’t have time to sit for themselves and to do some introspection to evaluate what they\’re feeling? And release that? I mean, what would you recommend for people to engage, whether it\’s an app or a tool? 

Diva Nagula 27:52 

Inner bonding is not a process where you where you have to sit. I\’m not a sitter, for example. My first inner bonding process every morning as I go out, I take my dog for a walk, and I walk them down hills, and I do my inner bonding work out loud. And so I\’m exercising and doing my inner bonding. And then the rest of the day, I stay tuned into my body and step one. I mean, that\’s one of the most important thing is being mindful means being mindful of what you\’re feeling. And being mindful of the messages coming in from spirit. Now, this takes practice, it took me a lot of practice, to move from head focus to body focus, and to be open enough to be hearing my guidance throughout the day. But I do now – I hear my guidance all day, letting me know what\’s loving to me at any given moment, and I\’m always asking what\’s loving to me now. And I\’m, you know, it\’s like, I tell people, it\’s like, if you have a baby, and you want to be a good parent, you have an inner you have a baby monitor on, you don\’t just put the baby in the crib go out to lunch. This is having your inner baby monitor on where you\’re listening. That\’s what mindfulness is, you\’re listening, you\’re being present. And for those people who are not sitting meditators, like I\’m not, you can do it any time. And, and one of the things about many of the meditators that I work with is that they do great while they\’re meditating, but they don\’t do great the rest of the day. And so, for me, being mindful is an all day thing. It\’s being present in my body and present with my higher guidance, even while I\’m working with people like right now. I\’m with you. But I\’m aware of what I\’m feeling. And I\’m aware of any messages that are coming through. In fact, I just let it come through like right now I don\’t even think it. I just let it come through and it becomes so much fun when you learn to have this at will divine connection. When I used to write books, it was so hard. I mean, I\’d have to lie I grit my teeth to get myself to sit down and write. And now it\’s one of the most fun things because I sit down, and I say, okay, you\’re on, and it just comes through like dictation, it\’s just so much fun. And I mean, life is incredibly different. When you\’re letting your higher self whatever you want to call it, whatever, doesn\’t matter what what a person\’s belief system is, they don\’t have to believe in God, but this this energy is here. And they can think of it as an older, wiser part of themselves, but that it\’s there. And when they learn to tap into it, things just become so much easier. And that\’s where manifestation is. 

Diva Nagula 30:43 

That\’s wonderful. I\’m curious of your thoughts as you wrote a book Diet for Divine Connection, and diet is a huge part of this, you know, and I\’m a big believer that in order to really access spirits or your higher self, you know, you have to have a clean vessel. And if you\’re polluting yourself with not only thoughts and emotions, but with toxins from foods that you\’re consuming, then your vessel is just, you know, it\’s it\’s not pure, and you\’re not able to achieve a higher vibration, you\’re all and then therefore, you\’re more inclined to be at a lower vibration, having lower vibrational thoughts. And it\’s just a cycle, it\’s hard to get out of it unless you know about how to eat clean. So tell us about this book. Okay, before I get to the book, let me just tell you a little bit about how I got there. So I was a really sickly kid. And in my early 20s, I was just so tired of being sick. And so I started to do research, I read Silent Spring by Rachel Carson, and I read the poisons in your food. And I realized, oh, my God, I was eating horribly, I threw everything out. There was one little tiny health food store in Los Angeles at that time. And that\’s where I was living, that\’s where I shop. So since I was 22, I\’ve been eating only pure, clean organic foods. And even with that, I got sick. But when when inner bonding came in. And I realized that if I moved into an intention to learn, I\’ve been trying to connect with my guidance, the whole time, but I didn\’t know how to do it. And once I was able to open to learning more, it just started to happen. I just started to get these downloads. And I thought, well, I just have to tell my clients to open to learning, and they\’ll be able to do that, except they weren\’t able to. And so it took me a while to connect the dots. And that is that it needs to be like you said, both the food the vessel has to be clean, and the intention to learn about love. And so when I put those together, that\’s when I realized, okay, but you know, people have to eat well, if they want to, if they want to connect with their guidance, well, that\’s what Diet for Divine Connection is about. The whole first part of the book is about food. It\’s about my journey with food; it\’s not a diet, I don\’t recommend the diet, because people have different philosophies, but I help people to understand how to tune into their own body, how to know what resonates with them, what\’s really healthy for them. But whatever their philosophy, it\’s got to be clean, organic, fresh, it can\’t be, you know, this sugar, ultra processed food and be healthy, you know that, you know you can\’t do that. And so the first part of the book is all about that. And then the second part of the book is inner bonding. And so the two together, allows people to connect with their higher guidance and completely change their lives – really learn to love themselves. That\’s, that\’s wonderful. That\’s important to me, because it\’s just a valuable lesson. It also reminds me of the trials and tribulations of my own personal life. It\’s, you know, I had Stage Four Non Hodgkins Lymphoma five years ago. And I learned that it was very much a lifestyle practice that caused all this and I was not eating well, I had poor thoughts all the time, emotions were, you know, up and down. And so I mean, it goes to show you, I mean, it\’s no wonder that I actually got cancer. So it\’s been for me, it\’s a learning lesson, and that I want to stay in remission. And now I have the tools, it\’s a lot of work a man really is, but in the end, you know, it\’s a price you have to pay to be joyful and happy. And to love others. And this is all about the way that we want to live life and so I no longer want to live in a low vibrational state of fear and anxiety. I know that, you know, those are emotions that are just going to pull me down and lead me to sickness. And so, it\’s been a learning lesson for me and I\’m still learning and I\’m still navigating. It\’s not going to be something that\’s going to happen overnight, it takes a lot of patience and dedication. 

Dr. Margaret Paul 35:04  

Well, you know, I mean, the reason it\’s hard is because people haven\’t learned, you know how to eat well, and what to do, it took me took me time to figure it out. And at this point, I mean, I\’m a really busy person, but I make all my own food. And I buy it from local farms and I eat really cleanly. And when I started to eat this way, in my early 20s, that was a long time ago, that was 58 years ago. And nobody was eating that, right. And I was in college, and people were making fun of me, you know, I was a health food nut for eating that way. And now those people are either dead, there are you know, they\’ve had hip replacements, knee replacements, they\’ve got Alzheimer\’s – no, I don\’t know a single person that I went to school with then who is as healthy as I am right now. Because none of them have been eating the way that I have. And none of them have been practicing inner bonding the way that I have. So I really want people to know that you can get older. I mean, I\’m 81. I\’m as healthy as anyone can be. And I\’m full of energy – yes, I got a ton of energy. And I want people to know that they can live vibrant, alive, productive lives into their older age. They don\’t have to get sick and decrepid and all that- they don\’t have to, but they have to be willing to take loving care of themselves, physically, emotionally and spiritually. 

Diva Nagula 36:48 

Well said, I couldn\’t have said that better. Well, that\’s your Margaret, how can people find out more about your inner bonding process more about you and more about your books? 

Dr. Margaret Paul 36:58 

Well, they can go to innerbonding.com. We have a wonderful website, there\’s a lot of free help, I have a free course that people can get the overview of inner bonding. There\’s a lot of ways people get help – I teach a wonderful 30 day course called Love Yourself, which really will teach people how to love themselves. And, and then there\’s an online program called Self Quest, which is very in depth in terms of learning inner bonding. We have many well trained facilitators, I work with people on Zoom and Skype and phone, and the facilitators do too – they charge less than I do. So people can get help. And we have a wonderful community called Inner Bonding Village that people can join. Those people that do can get three free sessions with an inner bonding facilitator and training to really get them started on the inner bonding process. So there\’s nothing to stand in the way for people. There\’s so much free help on the on the site that even if somebody has no money at all, they can learn inner bonding. And of course, the books, you know, especially Diet for Divine Connection, and the Inner Bonding Workbook will really teach them the process. 

Diva Nagula 38:16 

Wonderful. Thanks for all the work that you do. And thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to join us. 

Dr. Margaret Paul 38:22  

Well, thank you so much for the opportunity.